Now in possession of autographed copies of God Is Not Great, The Secular Conscience, and Once Upon a Time in the North.
Christopher Hitchens delivered the opening address of the final day's plenary session of the IHEU. I like the guy as an orator and a rhetorician, don't like a lot of his politics, but he gives a mighty fine speech. Too bad he recycles so much material.
Rebecca Watson canceled! I was very disappointed. I am a huge fan of the Skeptic's Guide and of Skepchick and I was looking forward to drooling all over her. Alone. In the dark. While she slept. At home.
Oh, and Greydon Square apparently beat the shit out of Brian Sapient. Money or something. Many lolz to be had, despite the fact that I am big fans of both individuals.
EDIT: Apparently there were no lolz to be had. See the comments for what really happened.
Sorry for the lack of frequent updates. The conference schedule was rather hectic and I didn't have an available, consistent internet connection. Daily updates resume officially as of today. Tomorrow it is time to talk about Tibet now that the mainstream media has stopped giving a shit. The day after we will be talking about one of my least favorite people on the entire planet: David Icke.
New material added in the sidebar, including the $100 Nibiru Challenge! Why is the amount so low? Because I am very close to broke at all times. Why am I offering the challenge? Because I really, really, really cannot stand the disingenuous and devoutly uncritical 2012 cult that appears to be thriving in the "last days." See the sidebar and leave your evidence as a comment anywhere that I will see it.
All in all, a staggeringly good time was had this weekend. All the SSA people like August Brunsman and Hemant Mehta and Matt LaClaire made the whole experience most enjoyable for me. The masses of free stuff will keep me entertained for days, and the well thought-out and insightful lectures and workshops I heard will fuel the material content of this blog pretty much until next year's IHEU conference.
Monday, June 9, 2008
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What exactly happened between Greydon Square and Brian Sapient? That doesn't sound like good news.
I have no idea. I wasn't nearby when it happened, I only saw the ambulance with Brian Sapient in it. Something about money.
I just heard that Brian Sapient was ripping off Greydon Square's CD sales.
Did you hear the part about how Brian Sapient paid for all of the CD's and gave Greydon all of the cds that he uses at the conventions to sell? Or you just heard the bullshit false part of the story?
Haha... dumb fucks at iRRS are at it again... get fatter Kelly, you don't look quite trashy enough.. lol.
Get Rook, the an Historian (lol) to write the history of how Brian got his ass kicked for well, being himself.
Ah, Ishmael again.
How ironic is it that people who don't have a clue as to what they are talking about see fit to spew nonsense out of their anal orifice?
Tsk tsk.
What don't I have a clue about? Rook's credentials or Brian's assbeating?
And, what's the deal with iRRSers always talking about people using their anus to talk? Seems like a fetish to me.
"Oh, and Greydon Square apparently beat the shit out of Brian Sapient. Money or something. Many lolz to be had, despite the fact that I am big fans of both individuals."
Many lolz to be had? This was not funny in the least, and Brian was not ripping Greydon off (God I hate rumors)... . Here are the facts as told to me by one of the two witnesses who were asked to be there by Greydon during the 'talk' that turned into a vicious attack. I don't even know Brian, never met him, and don't vouch for any other aspect of his personality. The true story is it had to do with some customers buying Greydon's cd's (I tried to like this guy before this happened too, but now he is a low life scum bag who gets no respect from me and apparently didn't rise above the disgusting glorification of the ghetto culture) from the RSS website. Many customers were getting lost after they paid for their CD's, and they complained directly to Greydon that they were not getting their CDs they ordered. Greydon then wants a mediated (his request) meeting with Brian Sapient about the issue. From one of the only two eye witnesses, he was "very irate" before even going to this meeting. The meeting was arranged a bit later, and Greydon airs his complaints about the CD's to Brain. When Brian explained this was an issue that was being worked out, Greydon then demanded of Brian that he not sell any CD's at the event. Brain refused, and Captain Dipshit flipped over the table and pummeled his fists into Brian's face repeatedly, more times than could be counted, as the the other two in attendance ran for help. It was a violent savage animalistic assault by a low-life thug who put shame on the atheist community. To take this lightly and see it as a ho-hum crime by Greydon is jejune at best, despicable and makes you untrustworthy at worst. I will not associate with any atheist who thinks this was funny, or light hearted, or justified in any manner. I will not associate with an atheist who does not see this as any less than an intolerable, unacceptable violent attack. Those who think otherwise says so much about the atheist and freethought community that I do not want to associate with anyone that helps put this shame on the freethought community.
No Joey. It's part of a ongoing litany of bullship from iRRS. Brian and his cult attract and are part and partial to the Greydon Squares of the world. That is why it *is* funny-- the kind of funny where you mean sad and pathetic. The whole iRRS is what is a disgrace to the Atheism
"movement."
No, I had no idea what really happened. All I know is that there was a fight.
Hey, does anybody know where I can get a copy of Greydon Square's CD?
When Brian gets out of the hospital your shipment will be packaged and shipped by COD same day.
Joe,
The true story is it had to do with some customers buying Greydon's cd's (I tried to like this guy before this happened too, but now he is a low life scum bag who gets no respect from me and apparently didn't rise above the disgusting glorification of the ghetto culture) from the RSS website. Many customers were getting lost after they paid for their CD's, and they complained directly to Greydon that they were not getting their CDs they ordered.
So, it's true. Brian was ripping off Greydon and his customers. Kelly even commented and has not denied the fact that Brian got his ass kicked. I hope they settle this. But knowing Brian I'm sure he'll try to sue Greydon for assault. How much money are you going to sue Greydon for, Brian? We all know you're just a money-grubbing whore.
The RRS keep getting their butts kicked one way or another. The people at richarddawkins.net watched in joy as some guy named fathomffi tore apart Rook Hawkins on his own website so bad in a debate that the next debate he posted ended up in the trollville section despite it being a legitimate post. Rook couldn't handle how he was being made a fool of. ROF!
Go have a look at two threads by fathomffi named "Discourse to the RRS regarding Tacitus," and the other thread was originally named "Discourse to the RRS regarding Josephus," but it embarrassed Rook Hawkins so much because it destroyed him so he renamed it to "FathomFFI is a troll who lies alot" and put it out of his section and into the trollville section at the bottom of the forum.
These RRS guys have been exposed as IDIOTS, liars, and very dishonest. They are a bloody disgrace to freethinkers everywhere.
Dear everyone who has commented on this post,
I would like to make a new post about the incident at the IDEU. Could I *PLEASE* get a blow-by-blow of what actually transpired from someone who knows? Was anyone here at the conference who was nearby? I unfortunately only saw the post hoc results on Brian Sapient and have no real idea what transpired. I only know "something about money" because I overheard someone else talking about it the following day.
Kelly, you were at the conference. What happened?
A man was hospitalized and people find it funny? This isn't fucking loony tunes people- real people here. You know, death, pain, scarring? The whole enchilada?
If you understood how intellectually dishonest the bastards at RRS actually are then you'd understand that Brian actually got off lucky.
They are a bunch of freaking militant atheists who's dishonesty is catching up to them and tearing them apart from the inside out. They keep begging for money on their website; money which they want so they can make a full-time job for themselves at their website.
They kick posters off their forums; posters who did nothing but show a rational argument to their assertions. This is demonstrated by a previous post here regarding that fathomffi guy, who did absolutely nothing to deserve such infantile treatment by the RRS. If they can't take good solid criticism, especially after they invite it, then they are without credulity in their claims, and should not be trusted with anything, including money.
They have proven to be dishonest in so many ways it's not funny, and this latest episode with Sapient and Greydon is just another example of that.
The dirt on the Rational Response Squad. RRS does a disservice to atheists around the world. Even this guy knows it.
"Many customers were getting lost after they paid for their CD's, and they complained directly to Greydon that they were not getting their CDs"
Well... if Sapient wasn't ripping off the customers or GS, what was it?
We're not talking about a big mega corp, we're talking a household of 5 people. It's Sapient's job to get the CDs out. Was he or wasn't he? You don't "work" on the issue, you do it, or you don't do it.
We already know the RRS embezzles money. They try to get non profits to accept donations on their behalf and give them the cash. We already know that BS's so called donations go in his pocket. "Working on it", the questions are
1) Did he take the money for CDs
2) Did he deliver the CDs?
Given we know he's not above embezzlement, it would be hard to buy "it's an issue we are working on". No sir, it's a go to the post office and mail out the fucking CDs dude.
Other questions would be was the guy bootlegging Greydon Square CDs, cranking them off a burner and Epson.
I'm not going to agree with decking the dude. But the guy is an in your face narcissistic ass. For trying to get the Freethought Society of Greater Philadelphia to accept RRS "donations", on that point alone they should be reported to the IRS
http://ftp.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f3949a.pdf
Not to speak of the fact they have no business license and have two founders?
Don't deck Sapient. Audit the bastard.
What don't I have a clue about? Rook's credentials or Brian's assbeating?
Both.
Evolved Rationalist is another RRS whore.
What an intellectual retort! Awwww.
I was not at the conference, but heard a first-person account the day after from Sapient about the events that transpired. I will only address the financial "questions," which is really being kind, seeing as how this is nobody's business except the people he chose to tell.
Sapient paid money for the CD's up front to promote off the RRS website, and also gave Greydon a portion of those CD's for free. A volunteer was supposed to be in charge of shipping out the CD's ordered from RRS, but fell behind on the task, and so people complained to Greydon about it, when he actually was not at fault. When he confronted Sapient about it, he asked the RRS not to sell any more CD's and just keep the money, but Sapient tried to explain that the money was already invested in the CD's and he is still out several hundred dollars until he sells them. Greydon falsely accused Sapient of trying to rip him off, which is not the case.
Greydon is bipolar, but had neglected to take his medication recently, which is largely what caused him to get upset. I will not say anymore about it; Joe's account was pretty accurate, and I think that's all you scumbags need to know. There is nothing funny about the altercation, and given that Brian is in bad condition right now and is stressed out from recent events, it would be nice if you bastards would at least keep your negative comments about the RRS to yourselves for once.
kellym78 said...
"Did you hear the part about how Brian Sapient paid for all of the CD's and gave Greydon all of the CDs that he uses at the conventions to sell? Or you just heard the bullshit false part of the story?"
Why don't you make your self USEFUL and explain your side before you start with your usual frothing at the mouth. No one likes a snappy pumpkin... that's a good girl.
If Sapient bought the CDs, and Sapient takes money for the CDs, and DOESN'T cough up the CD... guess who gets the flack? Greydon Square does. In your explanation Greydon is the 3rd party, but Sapient's bullshit reflects directly on the artist. To save face, Greydon will have to cough up a CD and shipping, and not sell Sapient anymore because he can't be trusted to deliver. He might be the 3rd party, but that doesn't matter to the buyer.
It's like someone slips you $20 for a lap dance, and you don't put out and keep the $20. Your employer, Bada Bing's image suffers. They cough up a $20 and you get fired. You can come up with any excuse in the book, "I was gonna do a lap dance... I just didn't get a round-tuit".
Get it Kelly? Work on that personality. Good girl.
I like this blog. Keep up the good work!
["I will only address the financial "questions," which is really being kind, seeing as how this is nobody's business except the people he chose to tell]
Ummm... Bullshit. Sapient is an Avatar for the RRS, which is a business. When he's Brian Cutler then he's entitled to privacy, but businesses are not. Sorry but how a BUSINESS does BUSINESS is the BUSINESS the the public, esp those who got shafted by the BUSINESS.
Ok, Sapient paid for the CDs up front to promote the website. RULE OF FIRST SALE DOES NOT APPLY. Sapient was clearly acting as an agent for Greydon Square. The site doesn’t say “Buy the CD from the RRS” It says “1 album $15 - Leaves our office within 7 days of purchase guaranteed! Ships via first class U.S.P.S to America, Canada, and Mexico for free! International buyers will be sent an invoice to pay an additional $1.50 per cd.” BS owns the plastic, but GS owns the bits. GS was well within his rights, and was reasonable, to ask for arbitration on this issue. BS refused, BS got hit.
Who ever is saying this was a shipping issue is a liar.
Further more, Sapient “claims” to have invested “$100s” in this. Well, assuming a CD, Jewel case, and a cover, that’s $2.00 at best. He sold them for a year. Did he sell 134 of them? Then he made back his investment. Sapient is a liar.
[ A volunteer was supposed to be in charge of shipping out the CD's ordered from RRS, but fell behind on the task, and so people complained to Greydon about it, when he actually was not at fault.]
GS was responsible. It’s his product, his name on the website. The RRS are agents for GS. GS's responsibility to produce a product and choose a distributor that can distribute. It’s Sapient’s fault for deligating the task to a bozo and making promises he couldn’t keep. That's how it works in adult land.
"Leaves our office within 7 days of purchase guaranteed!
Ships via first class U.S.P.S to America, Canada, and Mexico for free!
International buyers will be sent an invoice to pay an additional $1.50 per cd."
Did BS do this? No
Was GS reputation hurt? Yes
Was GS within his rights to fire Sapient? Yes.
Sapient was making money off revenue generated by GS's name, and his intellectual property. He didn't live up to his side of the bargain which was to promote GS. Sapient's mistake, Sapient's loss. Those ARE the breaks kid.
[Greydon is bipolar, but had neglected to take his medication recently, which is largely what caused him to get upset. ]
Just as Brian Cutler is alloted some privacy, so is GS. It was childish of you to bring this up out of spite.
What's Brien's excuse for not shipping the product? Is he going to give the money back?
[There is nothing funny about the altercation… it would be nice if you bastards would at least keep your negative comments about the RRS to yourselves for once.]
Did you laugh at the Kent Hovind prison rape jokes? Yes? Then STFU!
[given that Brian is in bad condition right now and is stressed out from recent events]
Boo hoo... tell him to take a fucking Valium. BS needs to grow the fuck up. Hope GS thinks it was worth it putting the asshat in the hospital.
Keep these comments to our self? Odds are this will be added to Encyclopedia Dramatica. Don't like it? Don't be a fucking drama whore. Run a business like a fucking fucking business and not like a stupid hobby.
Someone give Greydon Square a trophy.
I aint ordering NUTHIN from Greydon Square now if I gotta buy it off the RRS site!
I don't wanna lose my money.
If you want Greydon's Music I have 1 word for you iTunes of course the RRS doesn't want you to know that because that cuts them out of the cash.
I have hear first hand accounts from all people involved both Greydon and Brian, and the 2 other parties in the room. its pretty cut and dry and looks bad upon Brian. mind you I am not say that Greydon giving him a beat down make Greydon right but think of it this way.
If Brian is making a living of screwing people, pissing people off, and burning bridges he should have know that it was only a matter of time before he got a beat down any RATIONAL LOGICAL person would have seen this coming miles away.
but like I said by all accounts (except Brian's) Brian had CD's that he had already payed Greydon for and then went and committed wire fraud by selling them online, collecting payment, and never shipping the product, which what has been said time and time again looks bad upon the artist (Greydon)
3 of the 4 first hand accounts I have been given Jive the only one that doesn't is Brian Sapent's. so by the process of logic I will have to side with Greydon on this one not saying he was right for beating his ass but Brian did have it coming if not from Greydon some one else.
Joey? I guess that implies that you think I am being naïve. And you think that by pointing out the unethical and possibly criminal behavior of RSS, as if ignorance of those facts in any way changes the ethics of my position. But so we are on the same page, I am fully aware of all those allegations and if true, I am right there with you to austrasize them and/or hope there are consequences.
But this savage attack by Greydon is not excused even in a small part by any of that. Metaphorically, we are looking at a red Buick and while I am saying it is red, you are telling me I am wrong because you know it is a Buick.
I am saying this was an unnacceptable act by Greydon, and you are telling me I am wrong because RSS and Brian are unethical. If those allegations are true, than we are both right, just as we both were right about the metaphorical red Buick.
We are a group who is supposedly proud of our abilities to think rationally. Let's not prove others right when they see us justify physical violence (viscious violence) for breaking a contract, if that was even the case. Let's also not commit one of the most basic flaws theists often make in their arguments and miss the point of the position you are calling wrong by pointing to a non-sequitar. In other words, stop showing your "lowest common denominator" impersonation that educated rational atheists pride themselves for not being such. Again, I willl not associate with anyone that excuses or even softens Greydon's guilt by referring to Brian's alleged unethical behavior. If you say things like "he got what he deserved" and "that's the breaks"
You're all wrong!!! Brian Sapient beat Greydon Square up! You shoudl have seen it, Sapient kept using his face against Square's fists. Get it straight, people!
I just saw Teapot's request for this blog to stop, and I apologize for my post I made since then. That being said, I applaud those who have had something to say and left their ID's viewable. However, I would like those who did so to email me as I would like to know one of two thing:
1. If we can meet up at the next event/convention and discuss this like mature adults and weigh out the ethics of what occurred and determine if what Greydon did was justified in any part, or not justified at all.
2. If the non-sequiturs continue and it's still seen as "funny" or "deserved", so I can make some further decisions.
Comment on my last blog or email me at hern dot 5 at OSU dot edu.
Joe, I'm going to agree and disagree with your points.
Greydon was wrong in punching Sapient in the face.
However
Sapient was also in the wrong.
You see... GS was being accused of false advertising.
http://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=33326
Greydon clearly stated "or $11.99 via physical distribution on his homepage" when Sapient was charging $15.00
And the guarantee of shipping out in 7 days.
He also was accused of wire fraud, mail fraud, and embezzlement. Sapient's excuse it was an unpaid volunteer doesn't cut the mustard, not when we're talking 1500% profit. Delivering was his responsibility, he failed.
Kelly would have us believe it's OK because Sapient paid for the CDs. Well, he didn't pay for the music on them, and they were selling them under his name. Is it any shock people were complaining to him, after all it was his home page. How is the buy to know it was Sapient's fault.
I think I am being fair here in saying GS screwed up. There was no excuse for hitting BS. But there is also no excuse for Brian's behavior either. If this becomes a civil matter, both parties have claims for damages, and BOTH could face criminal charges, and IMHO both should.
However, it's an open question whether GS had the Mens Rea, of if this action was not premeditated assault. Such mitigating factors are important. Same with Sapient, is he a fraud or just simply negligent.
"Get it Kelly? Work on that personality. Good girl."
She's got huge, fake tits. She doesn't need a personality.
Gee, it's not clear that Mr. Anonymous has a personal dislike for all of us here...anybody got an axe to grind? Since he/she is too much of a coward to post using any identifying information, why should anybody believe what this douchebag is saying?
Anon said:
"Joe, I'm going to agree and disagree with your points."
You didn't disagree with anything I said. We agree completely.
I am simply saying that the two issues are entirely separate. What I am becoming increasingly frustrated about is that my issue with the (felonious?) assault keeps getting answered with all the allegations of Brian's ethical or criminal behavior. The *only* reason to mention that in retort is because one think it somehow validates Greydon's assault on Brian. I am very happy to see you find it wrong.
"I think I am being fair here in saying GS screwed up. There was no excuse for hitting BS. But there is also no excuse for Brian's behavior either. If this becomes a civil matter, both parties have claims for damages, and BOTH could face criminal charges, and IMHO both should."
Again, agreed... (*if* the allegations against Brian are true... we already know the allegations against Greydon are true).
Since I can't edit the previous comment, at least one of the Anonymous haters is IGExpandingPanda from RD.net and the RnR forums, in case anybody is interested in seeing how openly this person attempts to disparage us based on erroneous inferences made up in the reason-deficient brain of his.
Way to expose him, kellym78!
Yes, do be sure to check out what IGExpandingPanda and the rest have to say:
http://rantsnraves.org/showthread.php?t=11409
http://rantsnraves.org/showthread.php?t=7740
http://rantsnraves.org/showthread.php?t=8250
Indeed, RD.net has a 25 page anti-RRS thread with tons of information, and another anti-Rook Hawkins tharead at the following links:
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=45321&start=0
http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=38435&start=0
Wow but there seems like a whole world of people don't like what the RRS is doing lately.
Those two threads spill all teh beans on the RRS.
You guys are missing all the real fun.
I know Brian's friend's are public ally very supportive about his experience. Most them are also privately supportive too.
I can tell you this much with absolute certainty, there's not much more humiliating than getting beat up in front of your woman.
One day, kelly & brian will argue & she will be hard pressed about mentioning the matter.
Oh...that's the great part. One day Kelly will pull that out & it will pile drive Brian's heart to China. Then his heart will spend the trip back catching up on the missed humiliation--that haunting kind one feels retrospectively.
Still, my lols are thinking about that moment, not the moment he gets beat up.
There's a part of me that thinks you guys who laugh about him getting beat up, probably should get beat up one day. It's not fucking funny at all. In fact, I know more than my share of people who have gotten beat up at some point, including myself. And none of them would laugh *unless* it was a mutually consensual fair/even fight.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not an RRS hater. I love the shit Brian has pulled off. And, if I were there, I would have personally beat the shit out of GS.
I think he's a fucking meat head & I would have zero hang up making him eat a few CDs.
He's a wack rapper, a meat head & mo-mo. To hell with his bi-polar excuse. He's a bully.
Look, we all know Brian "claims" to be a pacifist. Well, that's just an excuse to talk tough without any expectations of being tough. People who can't/won't fight ought not be attacked by people who are are fighters.
Greydon...well, he's a fighter/tough guy in Brian's world. But, don't let the smooth taste fool you. Where I come from, a world I share with Greydon, he's a big, no-fucking-big-deal.
Seriously, we fuck dudes up for fighting below their class. So, fuck you Greydon S. & your stupid wack ass CDs.
One day, I hope I meet you. I'll point out to you I wrote this post, baby-faced bitch.
*Also, I predict Brian & Greydon will reconcile.
See Thats what you are getting wrong Kelly wasn't even in the room even though she represents it as if she was she just got a half assed account from Sapient after being beat to shit. so lets face it even she doesn't know what really went on. so she is not worth listening to in the matter.
If she tells you she was there she is a liar and if she admits she wasn't then she has little room to speak when shedding light on the subject. Go ahead ask her.
Yeah--I was there about 2 seconds after it ended while Brian was still getting up and I personally spoke to August Brunsman and Ashley who were in the room and listened to the police take their report and went to the hospital with Brian. I think I know the story asshole.
Kelly wrote:
"Yeah--I was there about 2 seconds after it ended while Brian was still getting up and I personally spoke to August Brunsman and Ashley who were in the room and listened to the police take their report and went to the hospital with Brian. I think I know the story asshole."
Kelly,
Exactly. You were in the know enough to speak more informatively than I can, and I am a close friend of Ashley's and she told me everything from a to z as well. Please don't let these jejune anonymous individuals who put shame on the freethought community (assuming they are active in the freethought community) worry you too much. I personally, a very friendly, direct, and staunch ally of what is right and ethical, will be one person who will be very vocal at future events (including this upcoming Amazing Meeting) about these yahoos (who are resorting to calling you names and who finds this assault on Brian warranted in any way, shape or form or find it light-hearted in any way) and their loss of validity of deserving politeness from me or anyone else in the freethought community. I was telling others that this incident will be a litmus test for me in that I am beside myself with disgust that ever may have befriended any of these children at prior freethought events who are behaving this way. I am disgusted I may have shared rooms with some of them or spent any amount of time around them.
My astonishment at their behavior stems from that fact that 100% of my freethought friends whom I've known for years (including August since 1997) and including my roommates and pretty much every freethought student here at Ohio State does not in the least find this light hearted. If they did, they would be banned from coming near me or enjoying polite niceties from me. I can handle a dichotomous myriad of widely varying opinions than my own between my friends, but finding a damn near felonious assault on someone over a verbal disagreement funny, is an absolute deal breaker.
Again, I am sorry you have to experience this from some of these yahoos, but be assured mature people do not find this funny or light hearted and find the actions of Greydon deplorable.
"I can handle a dichotomous myriad of widely varying opinions than my own between my friends, but finding a damn near felonious assault on someone over a verbal disagreement funny, is an absolute deal breaker."
Well... we are talking about people who think Kent Hovind prison rape is funny.
I am all for Greydon facing the music for what he did. He WILL get his day in court as with every other person.
There is no excuse for hitting someone else. That said
There is NO excuse misrepresenting the facts either. Kelly just said Brian got up seconds after the assault. We also know that the charge is minor assault which is not a felony. We don't actually know whether it was a felonious assault or not, or even damn near one (serious injury, weapons, broken bones). Greydon should be accountable for his actions, NO MORE NO LESS.
So should Brian. Getting hit doesn't absolve him of any crime.
"Yeah--I was there about 2 seconds after it ended while Brian was still getting up and I personally spoke to August Brunsman and Ashley who were in the room and listened to the police take their report and went to the hospital with Brian. I think I know the story asshole."
Kelly dear, do matter how you paint it, you are at best a secondary source with some serious bias. You were no primary source, you were no eye-witness. You know what it's like listening to eye-witnesses after an accident?
"I was driving and the other car couldn't stay in it's own lane... SO I HIT HIM".
That being said... no matter how reliable you are, you Miss have some serious bias.
How seriously was Brian hurt. Show is the x-ray, doctors report. How long did he stay at the hospital? Did Brian even have a broken nose? Show us some non-biased PRIMARY SOURCES so we can actually determine how seriously Brian was injured.
Yes, Greydon hit Brian... a many times. But to date Brian has released nothing truly relevant to the assault. Only a huge play on emotion, as well as telling us your ex-husband was bi-polar and beat you (we didn't need to know this).
I am not trying to trivialize the event... I'm trying to call it what it is, and so far it's being treated as a "minor assault" by the police. If it's more... prove it.
Also don't trivialize Brian's negligence either. He couldn't have been hit, but Brian should have don't his job and not failed to mail the damn CDs for two months.
Well Hell..and I thought the blogs I was arguing in were heated...LOL. Guess we're all over the place bickering about this.
People who know me know where I stand... Right next to Greydon.
Yes, he broke the law by smacking Brian...I wish he hadn't of done it but I can empathize with why he did.
Greydon is a responsible man and is willing to accept the consequences of that choice.
I have nothing good to say about RRS, so I'll stop before I go on another rant.
Brian Sapient made fun about Honvind's prison rape???
"I have nothing good to say about RRS, so I'll stop before I go on another rant."
[Greydon Square fought Brian Sapient at the AHA Conference?]
http://www.rantsnraves.org/showthread.php?t=11409
[The RRS Gets On My Nerves]
http://www.rantsnraves.org/showthread.php?t=7740
[Continuing the "Dialogue" Rook Hawkins]
http://www.rantsnraves.org/showthread.php?t=8250
I think it's very funny that Brian Sapient got his ass kicked. He is childish, ill informed, uneducated, and couldn't even accomplish the simple task of schooling Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron in what should have been an easy debate. Way to miss the softball of a washed up TV actor and an idiot lobbed at you. Brian Sapient is very damaging to atheism as a whole.
I know it's been quite some time that this has happened, but unfortunately, I've been out of the loop due to not having a good internet connection.
While it is sad that Greydon attacked Brian, I do have to say that I am more inclined to believe that Brian was ripping people off.
I found Greydon Square sometime late 2007. I really loved his music and decided to buy "The Compton Effect" on December 20. An order wasn't placed until January 4.
The CD arrived on January 14, and when it did- it was unplayable. It wasn't shipped first class, but by media mail. The manila catalog envelope the CD was shipped in was ripped and dirty. The CD jewel case was crushed and the CD had snapped in several pieces.
I tried to contact the distributor, but there was no contact information, so I went straight to Greydon himself. I sent him an e-mail saying what had happened. He apologized, said he'd talk to his distributor, and would have them send me a new CD.
I've never received another CD.
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hahaha...BRIAN CUTLER GOT HIS ASS BEAT & KELLY IS A CAMWHORE.
Kelly's an IRL whore as well.
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